Looking for small business jet recommendations

[jmig]

Even though I recommended the Honda above, I'd have to agree that the stock CJ4 also is a good choice. Now that the Working Title mod is integrated with the base sim, it's a lot better than originally, and if you get the free PMS GNS750, you can pop that up for nav and flight planning and not mess with the FMS.

August

Thank you everyone for the ideas. I played around with the CJ4 and liked it. The only issue I had was I found it hard to read the PFD, MFD, and especially the FMS with my HP G2 VR headset. I had to lean in to see what I the icon meant. I will read the manual and watch vidios this weekend.

[K5083]

Thank you everyone for the ideas. I played around with the CJ4 and liked it. The only issue I had was I found it hard to read the PFD, MFD, and especially the FMS with my HP G2 VR headset. I had to lean in to see what I the icon meant. I will read the manual and watch vidios this weekend.

I also have a G2 and have the same issue. I even bump the headset on my yoke now and then as I lean in to get closer to the panel. It helps to map a button to cycle through the various panel cameras rather than try to peer at them from the normal pilot view.

August

[jmig]

I also have a G2 and have the same issue. I even bump the headset on my yoke now and then as I lean in to get closer to the panel. It helps to map a button to cycle through the various panel cameras rather than try to peer at them from the normal pilot view.

August

I tried setting up cameras using the Control Options panel and they won't work in either VR or 2D. I used the forward and backwards buttons and a height switch I have programmed to move closer. I mainly need it for that postage stamp sized FMC. Once the flight plan is programmed, I don't touch it again, so it is good.

I did one short flight of 165 miles, and it seemed nice.

[ryanbatc]

Thank you everyone for the ideas. I played around with the CJ4 and liked it. The only issue I had was I found it hard to read the PFD, MFD, and especially the FMS with my HP G2 VR headset. I had to lean in to see what I the icon meant. I will read the manual and watch vidios this weekend.

I also have the same issue. The font is pretty realistic but it can be a little tough to see even in 2D. I frequently use the zoom in key in VR to look at the screens.

[Javis]

Don't you guys fly 2D anymore at all ??....

I LOVE my G2 as well, naturally, but after the dust of being completely focused on VR has settled down now i have put it in the right pespective that works for me. As soon as i have too much trouble reading the gauges and instruments of a certain aircraft, no matter how gorgeous the VR cockpit may look, i'll fly it only in 2D from then on and have absolutely no problem with it.

I have learned to see VR in MSFS as a delicious speciality like a dame blance or crepe suzette or even a Belgian bonbon. You'd be crazy to enjoy a dame blance or crepe suzette every day, right ? If cooked well a normal, healthy dish can almost be as good and you don't get fat.

On top of that VR will stay like the super dream come true flightsimming experience, which it actually is of course. That way you don't get used to it which will mean the death of 2D that we simply cannot afford just yet.

My advice, fly more 2D for the sake of your eyes and fly VR just as a delicious dish on the side at special occasions. Determine which couple of aircraft you have the least problem with reading your instruments and use only those to fly in VR.

( that's all until the graphic quality of VR will have matched or even superseded that of 2D, eventually..)

Works for me !

[jmig]

Don't you guys fly 2D anymore at all ??....

I LOVE my G2 as well, naturally, but after the dust of being completely focused on VR has settled down now i have put it in the right pespective that works for me. As soon as i have too much trouble reading the gauges and instruments of a certain aircraft, no matter how gorgeous the VR cockpit may look, i'll fly it only in 2D from then on and have absolutely no problem with it.

I have learned to see VR in MSFS as a delicious speciality like a dame blance or crepe suzette or even a Belgian bonbon. You'd be crazy to enjoy a dame blance or crepe suzette every day, right ? If cooked well a normal, healthy dish can almost be as good and you don't get fat.

On top of that VR will stay like the super dream come true flightsimming experience, which it actually is of course. That way you don't get used to it which will mean the death of 2D that we simply cannot afford just yet.

My advice, fly more 2D for the sake of your eyes and fly VR just as a delicious dish on the side at special occasions. Determine which couple of aircraft you have the least problem with reading your instruments and use only those to fly in VR.

( that's all until the graphic quality of VR will have matched or even superseded that of 2D, eventually..)

Works for me !

I have to disagree with you on the VR vs. 2D. I always fly VR, unless I am setting up controls or testing something.

But then, I am a guy who would eat a dame blance or crepe suzette or even a Belgian bonbon every day. I have to keep Blue Bell ice cream out of the house or I will go through the half-gallon in a day or two.

[K5083]

Ha, Javis! I would say I hate to say I told you so, but actually I LOVE to say I told you so! It seemed like you were lost to the 2D world when you discovered VR a few months ago.

But I'm totally on the same page, as you know. VR is still very cool. But when I want to do any serious navigation, communicate on Vatsim, or just drink in the detail of the aircraft and scenery at full resolution and contrast and ultra settings, it's 2D all the way.

I tried doing a Vatsim IFR flight on VR, juggling all the navaids, charts, radios, ATC instructions, etc., without reference to my other monitor or paper on my desk, and it was a disaster. Props to anyone who can manage it, but it isn't fun for me. Bizjets aren't exactly my "experience the joy of flying" kind of plane, so when I fly one, it's going to be in that kind of context, most likely, which means it'll be 2D.

August

[jmig]

I am starting to like the CJ4. I have worked around the tiny font issues, for the most part. I like the rather simplicity of the CJ4 vs. the Longitude. I am considering buying the Honda jet, even though I think the engine mounts are weird and take away from the aesthetics of the design.

[Tom Clayton]

The HA420's inverted sing pylons are for passenger comfort. Wing mounted engines mean much less engine noise in the cabin, but the plane is too small for standard hanging pylons. It also eliminates the structure and systems between the engines within the fuselage rear section, allowing more room for passengers and cargo.

Honda also claims that the engines are the quietest in their class, which I can attest to, having seen close to a hundred approaches and departures. I live right under the approach to KGSO 23L and I work practically next door to the airport, so I see at least a couple every week flying over.

I had been putting off getting this one for a while, but this discussion has me interested again. I think I'll pull the trigger tomorrow when I fire the sim back up. I also have my eye on a couple of Orbx products. Good thing I got paid yesterday...

[Javis]

Ha, Javis! I would say I hate to say I told you so, but actually I LOVE to say I told you so!

You certainly did ! And i couldn't argue about that, could i !

It seemed like you were lost to the 2D world when you discovered VR a few months ago.

And boy oh boy what a month THAT was ! Apart from my first experience with flightsimulator ( Sublogic/Bruce Artwick FSII on commodore 64) putting on that VR helmet was THE most exciting experience i ever had with FS. I say again WOW!!

But I'm totally on the same page, as you know. VR is still very cool. But when I want to do any serious navigation, communicate on Vatsim, or just drink in the detail of the aircraft and scenery at full resolution and contrast and ultra settings, it's 2D all the way.

Certainly with you there, Captain. Particularly now that i finally try to fit in with the big boys. You know Boeings and Buses (actually the A310 only, can't get used to that awful clean side sticked insurance agent office of all others). Taxiing a 747 or triple 7 around a big super detailed airport in bad weather in VR is totally awesome, can do that for an hour or two easily. Even more amazing now i have FS Traffic installed. Flying them in VR is impossible, at least for me, no fun at all.I already have a problem reading the gauges with the DC-3. In VR i'll happily stick to my beloved Tiggie, Kaydet and other biplanes, small GA and the odd prop- or jetfighter of course. No annoyances, mostly everything's clear and readable, just fantastic VR fun ! ( i did say WOW!! already, didn't i ! )

Thanks again and again for showing me the way to this amazing journey, August !

( sorry for getting off course from your topic a little bit, John, hope i'm excused. I DID try to give you a good tip, didn't i... And airliners are pretty much business too, aren't they, the're not exactly small though.. ;-)

cheers,
jan

[K5083]

I have been playing with the CJ4 today, though, and am having one problem. The fuel is only drawing from the left tank. I can't find a fuel tank selector. Eventually I get a warning about the imbalance. I turn on fuel transfer, but its rate is too slow to keep up with the fuel consumption. So I have to keep bringing up the w&b screen and evening up the tanks. Anyone else seen this?

August

[Tom Clayton]

I pulled that trigger on the FFX "HJet" (I guess they never could get an actual license deal with Honda), and I'm pretty happy with it. I did a flight from Rotterdam to London City and she performed nicely. In fact, I had to watch my speed - she over-speeds rather easily. I need to see if I can figure out the autothrottle. Beyond that, she's quite nice. The only real disappointment is that as sophisticated as the instrumentation is, I can't find an OBS function.

Edit: Found the OBS.