Carenado B58 Baron Released!

**Kiwikat** · March 15th, 2011, 11:33

She's out! :salute:

http://www.carenado.com/CarSite/Port...duct&correl=57

I'm currently downloading!

***Roger*** · March 15th, 2011, 11:39

This one's working for me... http://www.carenado.com/CarSite/Portal/index.php

Looks great!

**Cirrus N210MS** · March 15th, 2011, 12:11

looks nice

**ryanbatc** · March 15th, 2011, 12:32

Meh I'm covered with the Duke...

Still interested in the fde (as usual), and the asymmetric modeling!

**bstolle** · March 15th, 2011, 12:59

Unfortunately the FDs are Carenado standard again, no realistic asymmetric handling etc...

**Kiwikat** · March 15th, 2011, 13:07

Originally Posted by ryanbatc

Meh I'm covered with the Duke...

Still interested in the fde (as usual), and the asymmetric modeling!

I like the turbine duke but the VC isn't what Carenado does. The FPS impact is also much less than with the duke. I guess I just have a soft spot for Bonanzas and Barons. The takeoff performance seemed alright but the cruise speed may have been a tad slow. I won't get time to really fly it until tomorrow. Darn school...

**bstolle** · March 15th, 2011, 13:12

The take off performance might be ok but the handling is unrealistic difficult.
It's one of the nice real Baron features that there's almost no left pull during take off.
The Carenado Baron needs more rudder than the A2A Spitfire!

**ryanbatc** · March 15th, 2011, 13:20

Originally Posted by Kiwikat

I like the turbine duke but the VC isn't what Carenado does. The FPS impact is also much less than with the duke. I guess I just have a soft spot for Bonanzas and Barons. The takeoff performance seemed alright but the cruise speed may have been a tad slow. I won't get time to really fly it until tomorrow. Darn school...

I agree their VC's have very nice textures but still prefer the look of the duke. Their bonanza (F33) performs about the same as my piston duke (as in fps). However their older models are better than the Duke, probably better than default models.

The one I am holding out for is the C210.... not as fast as the Lancair by any means but still fun!

***anthony31*** · March 15th, 2011, 14:58

Isn't it interesting how some people can be bugged by seemingly inconsequential things?

For me it is the red flag that appears in the turn-coordinator gauge in Carenado aircraft. It is always on in the turn-coordinator for the Saratoga (the only Carenado plane I have) and I notice it is on in the screenshots for the Baron.

A small thing, and probably not a problem for most people, but it bugs me just enough not to want to buy this plane

(although the rest of it sure does look purdy)

From the Falcon Gauge Turn Coordinator manual:

"When the aircraft power is activated to the instrument, observe the functional
indicator on the right-hand side of the instrument face. It must turn from red to
black to indicate the instrument is operating normally. If the functional
indicator remains red or becomes red in flight, the instrument should not be
relied upon for flight information."

**ryanbatc** · March 15th, 2011, 15:00

Still looking for some HQ screenshots - I've yet to see any except the odd ones on their web site....

**euroastar350** · March 15th, 2011, 18:15

Glad to see it released, holding out for the Cessna 210 though.

**Paul K** · March 16th, 2011, 00:23

Originally Posted by anthony31

Isn't it interesting how some people can be bugged by seemingly inconsequential things?

For me it is the red flag that appears in the turn-coordinator gauge in Carenado aircraft. It is always on in the turn-coordinator for the Saratoga (the only Carenado plane I have) and I notice it is on in the screenshots for the Baron.

A small thing, and probably not a problem for most people, but it bugs me just enough not to want to buy this plane

(although the rest of it sure does look purdy)

I think it would bug me too, now that you've pointed it out. Its an absolutely beautiful looking model, and could be my first Carenado purchase...but for things like that.

I wonder how receptive Carenado are, and whether they are known for patching their products based on customers feedback ? I don't have much knowledge of them as a company.

**Paul K** · March 16th, 2011, 01:12

Wombat, he isn't 'whingeing'. He's simply pointing out what he believes to be a problem. As is Ant with his observation regarding the turn and slip indicator.

For goodness sake, whats gone wrong this forum ?

**butchm** · March 16th, 2011, 01:26

Each developer has their unique strenghts and areas for development.

PMDG for example is argueably at the pinacle of complex sims.
A2A for adding depth and 'realism' to the use and abuse on machines.
Realair for their FM's

My 10 cents on Carenado is that their models are always spot on and the quality of the exterior and the VC has continuously improved for each release. I'd say they're textures are now up there with the best that I've seen.

If they could can develop FM's like Realair, realism like A2A and the Q&A of PMDG then they would be the king of the GA market.

Whether or not they 'really' want to do that... who knows maybe they are comfortable where they are now.

I think if you purchase their products with the above in mind then you'll not be disappointed, expect more then you just might regret it.

Cheers
Butch

**mmann** · March 16th, 2011, 04:36

Funny how people can say they are stating a personal opinion while complaining that others are whinging!

As to Carenado, their philosophy lately has been "if it looks good it will sell good", which for some of us is not good at all.

Regards, Mike Mann

**bstolle** · March 16th, 2011, 05:49

update concering the FDs.
Carenado apparently released the plane without sending the latest update to the beta team first.

Handling is now well harmonized, left-pull on take off seems to be realistically weak now.
Stall still occurs at a way too low AoA which means if you flare too much she will drop stalled onto the runway.
Same if you pull her off the runway too aggressive on take off.

But if you don't do anything stoopid it's actually a very nice plane.
Even engine out handling is quite ok!

**ryanbatc** · March 16th, 2011, 08:03

Originally Posted by Paul K

Wombat, he isn't 'whingeing'. He's simply pointing out what he believes to be a problem. As is Ant with his observation regarding the turn and slip indicator.

For goodness sake, whats gone wrong this forum ?

+1 to 2nd part!

He's merely pointing out an issue with product. All products have issues - and we all know a lot of developers are listening and try to fix issues by reading forums. On occasion when the tone get's a little negative, I don't see why it's so hard to brush it off, goodness gracious! We are only human.

Anyway, back on topic, thanks for the update Bernt!

**SADT** · March 16th, 2011, 21:45

Hi Guys,

I was wondering how this compares as a plane to the Cessna 340 by the same modeler? (That is, I am interested in the Real-world differences of these two, and how they compare.) Not the FS modeling, which I believe looks....... Quite good, actually :-)

**tankerguy72** · March 17th, 2011, 01:25

Thought this was a weird coincidence or a sign haha. I read this thread yesterday and considered buying the Baron, then i went to the airport this morning and just happened my old instructor was doing a test flight on a Baron and i went along for some stalls and steep turns. VERY NICE aircraft but that stall horn is very sensitive!
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**Meshman** · March 17th, 2011, 05:30

Originally Posted by tankerguy72

...then i went to the airport this morning and just happened my old instructor was doing a test flight on a Baron...

Nice scenery! Do you have a download link???

Almost looks like part of SoKali, from the snow on Mt. Baldy??

**tankerguy72** · March 17th, 2011, 13:16

Originally Posted by Meshman

Nice scenery! Do you have a download link???

Almost looks like part of SoKali, from the snow on Mt. Baldy??

Actually those pics are from the Real Flight!!! haha this is So Cal and that would be Big Bear in the background, a little east of Mt. Baldy. I have Megascenery So Cal edition for FSX and it looks about as real as it gets!!

**Cirrus N210MS** · March 18th, 2011, 07:22

great shot :salute:

tankerguy72

you ever flown over to 54cl in real world?

that is where i hang around alot :salute:

***Roger*** · March 18th, 2011, 09:36

Originally Posted by tankerguy72

Actually those pics are from the Real Flight!!! haha this is So Cal and that would be Big Bear in the background, a little east of Mt. Baldy. I have Megascenery So Cal edition for FSX and it looks about as real as it gets!!

Makes you realise how good sims are these days that you can make that mistake! Wouldn't have happened in Fs98