Falcon 50 in FSX

[vonstroheim]

Oulala nice panel expat, this ADI is beautiful indeed.
Yes I think I may have the help of a real pro of Xml gauge building. He already made some similar panel for Falcon 7X and 2000. He's the one who made the Tristar panel I'm hacking. So it's very nice of him to join us! Thank you Philippe

[vonstroheim]

Slowly improving the cockpit... I'll stick to analog gauges, maybe I'm too old fashioned...

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But it's because this Dassault Falcon/Mystère 50 is from 1976 and the real one is stored at CAEA (Conservatoire de l'Air et de l'Espace d'Aquitaine) in France, a museum for Dassault retired aircrafts and other french icons.

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Check it out!
http://photos.caea.info/
http://www.caea.info/

PM me if you want the panel.cfg and the 4 VC bitmaps. The XML gauges are not ready yet... But you can fiddle around with stock FS gauges...

[vonstroheim]

I can't seem to get any night lighting in the VC. It's pretty dark.

Maybe you don't have the latest aircraft.cfg file, there is a "lights" section you might need. Here it is:

[LIGHTS]
light.0 = 3, -7.7, -31.2, -2.1, fx_navred ,
light.1 = 3, -7.7, 31.2, -2.1, fx_navgre ,
light.2 = 2, -8, 31.4, -2.1, fx_strobe ,
light.3 = 2, -8, -31.4, -2.1, fx_strobe ,
light.4 = 1, -25.2, 0.00, 17.7, fx_beaconh ,
light.5 = 3, -24.2, 0.00, 8.37, fx_navwhih ,
light.6 = 2, 4.61, 0.00, -3.62, fx_beaconb ,
light.7 = 5, 11.45, -2.10, -2.50, fx_landing.fx
light.8 = 5, 11.45, 2.10, -2.50, fx_landing.fx
light.9 = 4, 24.50, 1.80, 2.55, fx_vclight_f50
light.10= 4, 24.50, -1.80, 2.55, fx_vclight_f50
light.11= 4, 19.00, -0.30, 2.05, fx_vclight_f50
light.12= 4, 14.00, -0.00, 2.05, fx_vclight_f50
light.13= 4, 10.00, -0.00, 2.05, fx_vclight_f50
light.14= 4, 6.00, -0.00, 2.05, fx_vclight_f50
light.15= 4, 0.80, -0.00, 1.05, fx_vclight_f50

[expat]

Thanks for your response. What got it to work for me was to i) use the default vc lights for the cabin lights, and for the VC panel ii) add an entry with the coordinates the same as the eyepoint.

Have now added L1011 gauges, new autopilot (with AT) and created panels for both an analogue - "vintage" - aircraft (as you point out, the plane goes back to 1976 which is cool and to be respected) and also, for fun, an Falcon 50EX which will have greater range and performance.

Before I forget! Borrowed the overhead panel and throttle quadrant for the PAD freeware Falcon 7x and really am now in business. Thanks for the help and inspiration.

[vonstroheim]

Now with FSX you can add "camera definition" in the aircraft.cfg file. It's fun! Here are the one I've adapted from various planes: The inside view is worth the trouble... There's not a lot of aircrafts with such a level of detail in the passenger area in the freeware hobby. And this one dates back from fs2000! The Goose G21 for FS9 was nice, and some big Sikorsky S-42 & S-43 boat planes too, but that's about it...

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Add this at the bottom of the aircraft.cfg file:

// ----------------------- CameraDefinition - outside -----------------

// InitialXyz = lateral , height , length
// InitialPbh = angle , torsion , rotation

[CameraDefinition.0]
Title = "Tail"
Guid = {5c1df273-034b-4e7f-953a-9d5e26f1646c}
Description = Looking forward from behind the aircraft
Origin = Center
SnapPbhAdjust = Swivel
SnapPbhReturn = FALSE
PanPbhAdjust = Swivel
PanPbhReturn = FALSE
Track = None
ShowAxis = FALSE
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = .75
ShowWeather = Yes
InitialXyz = 0, 2.3, -20.0
InitialPbh = 10, 0, 0
XyzAdjust = TRUE
Category=Aircraft
MomentumEffect=TRUE
ClipMode=Minimum

[CameraDefinition.2]
Title = "Landing Gear"
Guid = {96873AAD-621B-4C45-8A58-DEF7B7FCB051}
Description = View of the landing gear and left wing inboard flaps
Origin = Center
SnapPbhAdjust = Swivel
SnapPbhReturn = FALSE
PanPbhAdjust = Swivel
PanPbhReturn = FALSE
Track = None
ShowAxis = FALSE
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = .52
ShowWeather = Yes
InitialXyz = -3.3, -1.8, -4
InitialPbh = 0, 0, 17
XyzAdjust = TRUE
Category=Aircraft
MomentumEffect=TRUE
ClipMode=Minimum

[CameraDefinition.3]
Title = "Cinematic 16:9 (left)"
Guid = {f25dfa2e-fd2e-4b89-81e2-0575cbcb60de}
Description =Looking forward from over the left wing
Origin = Center
SnapPbhAdjust = Ordinal
SnapPbhReturn = FALSE
PanPbhAdjust = Swivel
PanPbhReturn = FALSE
Track = None
ShowAxis = FALSE
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = .5
ShowWeather = Yes
InitialXyz = -7, 2.0, -12.0
InitialPbh = 6, 0, 25
XyzAdjust = TRUE
Category=Aircraft
MomentumEffect=TRUE
ClipMode=Minimum

[CameraDefinition.4]
Title = "Cinematic 16:9 - right"
Guid = {C690EAFD-223A-42d0-99E0-681ADF93BB59}
Description =Looking forward from over the right wing
Origin = Center
SnapPbhAdjust = Ordinal
SnapPbhReturn = FALSE
PanPbhAdjust = Swivel
PanPbhReturn = FALSE
Track = None
ShowAxis = FALSE
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = .5
ShowWeather = Yes
InitialXyz = 7, 2.0, -12.0
InitialPbh = 6, 0, -25
XyzAdjust = TRUE
Category=Aircraft
MomentumEffect=TRUE
ClipMode=Minimum

[CameraDefinition.5]
Title = "Cinematic - front left"
Guid = {195EAB58-9E4A-2E2A-A34C-A8D9D948F078}
Description =Looking backward from over the right wing
Origin = Center
SnapPbhAdjust = Ordinal
SnapPbhReturn = FALSE
PanPbhAdjust = Swivel
PanPbhReturn = FALSE
Track = None
ShowAxis = FALSE
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = .75
ShowWeather = Yes
InitialXyz = 7, -2.0, 11.0
InitialPbh = -6, 0, -145
XyzAdjust = TRUE
Category=Aircraft
MomentumEffect=TRUE
ClipMode=Minimum

[CameraDefinition.6]
Title = "Cinematic - front right"
Guid = {765CCF83-D7CD-4486-8983-A5714310CDD5}
Description =Looking backward from over the right wing
Origin = Center
SnapPbhAdjust = Ordinal
SnapPbhReturn = FALSE
PanPbhAdjust = Swivel
PanPbhReturn = FALSE
Track = None
ShowAxis = FALSE
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = .75
ShowWeather = Yes
InitialXyz = -7, -2.0, 11.0
InitialPbh = -6, 0, 145
XyzAdjust = TRUE
Category=Aircraft
MomentumEffect=TRUE
ClipMode=Minimum


// ----------------------- CameraDefinition - inside -----------------

[CameraDefinition.7]
Title = "Right Seat"
Guid = {8ff6c134-098d-409f-baec-caba3f683f98}
Origin = Virtual Cockpit
MomentumEffect = YES
SnapPbhAdjust = Swivel
SnapPbhReturn = False
PanPbhAdjust = Swivel
PanPbhReturn = False
Track = None
ShowAxis = YES
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = .6
SmoothZoomTime = 2.0
ZoomPanScalar = 1.0
ShowWeather = Yes
XyzAdjust = TRUE
ShowLensFlare=FALSE
Category = Cockpit
PitchPanRate=20
HeadingPanRate=60
InitialXyz=0.94, 0.0, 0.0
InitialPbh=20, 0, 330

[CameraDefinition.8]
Title = "Engines status"
Guid = {195EAB58-9E4A-2E2A-A34C-A8D9D948F078}
Origin = Virtual Cockpit
MomentumEffect = No
SnapPbhAdjust = None
SnapPbhReturn = False
PanPbhAdjust = None
PanPbhReturn = False
Track = None
ShowAxis = FALSE
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = 0.6
SmoothZoomTime = 2.0
ZoomPanScalar = 1.00
ShowWeather = Yes
XyzAdjust = TRUE
ShowLensFlare=FALSE
Category = Cockpit
PitchPanRate=20
HeadingPanRate=60
InitialXyz=0.45, -0.25, -0.1
InitialPbh=14.2, 0, 0

[CameraDefinition.9]
Title = "Engine Controls"
Guid = {195EAB58-9E4A-3E2A-A34C-A8D9D948F078}
Origin = Virtual Cockpit
MomentumEffect = No
SnapPbhAdjust = None
SnapPbhReturn = False
PanPbhAdjust = None
PanPbhReturn = False
Track = None
ShowAxis = FALSE
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = 0.60
SmoothZoomTime = 2.0
ZoomPanScalar = 1.0
ShowWeather = Yes
XyzAdjust = TRUE
ShowLensFlare=FALSE
Category = Cockpit
PitchPanRate=20
HeadingPanRate=60
InitialXyz=0.30, 0.09, -0.18
InitialPbh=40, 0, 10

[CameraDefinition.10]
Title = "Overhead Panel"
Guid = {195EAB58-9E4A-4E2A-A34C-A8D9D948F078}
Origin = Virtual Cockpit
MomentumEffect = No
SnapPbhAdjust = None
SnapPbhReturn = False
PanPbhAdjust = None
PanPbhReturn = False
Track = None
ShowAxis = FALSE
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = 0.9
SmoothZoomTime = 2.0
ZoomPanScalar = 1.15
ShowWeather = Yes
XyzAdjust = TRUE
ShowLensFlare=FALSE
Category = Cockpit
PitchPanRate=20
HeadingPanRate=60
InitialXyz=0.47, -0.12, -0.4
InitialPbh=-15.0, 0, 0

[CameraDefinition.11]
Title = "Passenger area 1"
Guid = {195EAB58-9E4A-6E2A-A34C-A8D9D948F078}
Origin = Virtual Cockpit
MomentumEffect = No
SnapPbhAdjust = None
SnapPbhReturn = False
PanPbhAdjust = None
PanPbhReturn = False
Track = None
ShowAxis = FALSE
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = 0.7
SmoothZoomTime = 2.0
ZoomPanScalar = 1.0
ShowWeather = Yes
XyzAdjust = TRUE
ShowLensFlare=FALSE
Category = Cockpit
PitchPanRate=20
HeadingPanRate=60
InitialXyz=0.30, 0.09, -0.18
InitialPbh=15, 0, 180

[CameraDefinition.12]
Title = "Passenger area 2"
Guid = {195EAB58-9F4A-6E2A-A34C-A8D9D948F078}
Origin = Virtual Cockpit
MomentumEffect = No
SnapPbhAdjust = None
SnapPbhReturn = False
PanPbhAdjust = None
PanPbhReturn = False
Track = None
ShowAxis = FALSE
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = 0.7
SmoothZoomTime = 2.0
ZoomPanScalar = 1.0
ShowWeather = Yes
XyzAdjust = TRUE
ShowLensFlare=FALSE
Category = Cockpit
PitchPanRate=20
HeadingPanRate=60
InitialXyz=0.75, 0.1, -3.5
InitialPbh=15, 0, 340

[CameraDefinition.13]
Title = "Passenger area 3"
Guid = {195EAB58-9FBA-6E2A-A34C-A8D9D948F078}
Origin = Virtual Cockpit
MomentumEffect = No
SnapPbhAdjust = None
SnapPbhReturn = False
PanPbhAdjust = None
PanPbhReturn = False
Track = None
ShowAxis = FALSE
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = 0.7
SmoothZoomTime = 2.0
ZoomPanScalar = 1.0
ShowWeather = Yes
XyzAdjust = TRUE
ShowLensFlare=FALSE
Category = Cockpit
PitchPanRate=20
HeadingPanRate=60
InitialXyz=0.75, 0.1, -7
InitialPbh=15, 0, 340

[expat]

Having fun changing the colors in the fx vc light effects - and with your camera views - this is a blast.

[expat]

Looking good, inside and out . .

[Warrant]

Nice projects!

Any of you going to publish once finished?

Have very good memories regarding this Falcon 50. Like to see it go airborne once again in FSX one day.

[vonstroheim]

Any of you going to publish once finished?

Yes it's coming! The regular cockpit is almost ready, some gauges in the overhead panel popup are hard to fix... And I'm waiting for the green light from all the original creators and partners, don't want to upset them... Some did reply !

Just for fun I'll try some inside texture changes. My girlfriend asked for some sheepskin seatcover for pilot and copilot. Since I'm spending way to much time on my computer, I couldn't say no to her, so I found some real aviation equipment web site and we looked at their online catalog, and we settled for a nice honey tan shade... Women... can you believe it... Screenshot soon...

[vonstroheim]

Xml programming of switches is not that difficult. Locating the original bitmap of the red switches was a bit more challenging (remember the overhead panel didn't work in FS9). Puting it all together with FS Panel Studio is a piece of cake... I'll try to keep as close as possible to the original look. And some switches are still wrong or missing... So not ready yet...
And after that? Illuminating the engines gauges would be a nice touch. André told me how to do it... But I'm a bit lazy tonight... And I want to fly!

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"Cold-and-dark" In Nice Cote d'Azur...

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[Lionheart]

Thanks for the update. This is great to hear.

How is Yannick doing? Is he one of the people that responded? He was pretty good at models.

[vonstroheim]

Repainting the inside compartment is not that easy. My experiments with the sheepskin seat cover was terrible... I trashed it right away... I'll stick to gauges, nothing else. I realize how difficult it is to be a "texture" creator. And you need a lot of TALENT and PATIENCE of course. Yannick Lavigne had both, I don't have any...

Lavigne was the "artist" who made the wonderful textures I suppose. He had access to the real plane in France. Fred Banting made the incredible cockpit modeling and gauges, Rob did the flight dynamics as realistic as possible, maybe he flew in one of those, or talked to pilots. It's a real dream team. It has to be, the plane wouldn't have survived so many changes in FS software and harware...

More news soon... Have a nice weekend

[vonstroheim]

How is Yannick doing? Is he one of the people that responded? He was pretty good at models.

Rob is the only one who replied so far and he's quite supportive. No trace of Fred Banting anywhere (any clue?), same with Mr Lavigne so far...

So I keep improving the panel with little goodies, trying to stay as close as possible to the original design. I think my autopilot is even better integrated than the original... And the WAAS Gps Map Gauge by Don Kuhn is a good useful alternative to the weather radar...

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The autopilot is very basic, you'll have to adjust the little knobs in each corresponding gauges, like in the real plane I think. Where is the autopilot in a real 1976 Falcon 50 anyway? Did I got it right?

By the way I need an XML gauge with such a little knob and a moving "bug" to adjust the desired speed. I found such a gauge in another Tristar (by OMWings) but it's a C++ gauge I can't recycle. I need the XML equivalent: it's a 450kts variant, it has 3 needles: speed (white), max speed (red and white), desired speed (orange). Pretty common, but haven't found it yet!

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[vonstroheim]

Cosy light thanks to Lee

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Good night everybody! More real news very soon...

[Daube]

Cosy light thanks to Lee
...
Good night everybody! More real news very soon...

Excellent job you've done once more !!
I can't believe this "old" model can still look so good today.

"Cold-and-dark" In Nice Cote d'Azur...

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Tres bon choix d'aeroport, si je puis dire :ernae:

[txnetcop]

Cosy light thanks to Lee

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Good night everybody! More real news very soon...

WOW love that lighting...really great work!
Ted

[Brian_Gladden]

Where are you guys finding some of those repaints I see in the exterior screen shots? particularly, N939FE and N144AD in Expat's screen shots.

Edit: Also as a side note. Looking at the panel shots, the VSI goes under the altimeter in the standard "T" instrument set up. Not the RMI.

[sicard]

Hi,
I am an anonimous french simmer 60 old and i am Filling with admiration for such a project Falcon 50 about you You're wonderfull guy .
One thing only low hat and congratulation.

Patrick Sicard Old worker of Dassault avition in Annecy haute savoie France

Thank you so much

Follow my message to everybody interessed

[expat]

Where are you guys finding some of those repaints I see in the exterior screen shots? particularly, N939FE and N144AD in Expat's screen shots.

Shameless plagiarism of an eight year old paint by Ron Hamilton (Ron, if you are out there, apologies for not seeking permission - but this 8 year old paint has held up well - thanks!!) of the Archer Daniels corporate jet. Have done a number or alternatives for my own use simply using - shamelessly as well - MS Paint.


<HR align=center width=600 SIZE=2>
<CENTER>FS2002 - FS2002 Aircraft </CENTER><CENTER>FS2002 Dassault Falcon 50
</CENTER><CENTER>[ Download | View ] </CENTER>
Name: n144ad.zip Size: 1,514,111 Date: 08-04-2002 Downloads: 744
FS2002 Dassault Falcon 50 textures. By Ron Hamilton. (See also N144ADNT.ZIP)

Looking at the panel shots, the VSI goes under the altimeter in the standard "T" instrument set up. Not the RMI.

Is this the correct Alt/VSI config in the attached screenie below? I am fooling around with three different panel versions: analogue - like vonstrohiem's; fully digital a la Collins Pro line on the 50EX; and in between as per below, using F1 PC-12 EADI/EHSI.


<LEGEND> Attached Thumbnails</LEGEND>

[Brian_Gladden]

Yep, that's the setup :-) VSI under the altimeter

[vonstroheim]

Yep, that's the setup :-) VSI under the altimeter

Ok I'll fix that, no worries! Any idea where is the autopilot in the real plane? I'm not sure it's under the weather radar...

... i am Filling with admiration for such a project Falcon 50 ... old worker of Dassault aviation in Annecy haute savoie France

Merci beaucoup monsieur Sicard pour votre soutient ! C'est un vrai honneur... Mais c'est grace à André que le Falcon 50 revole dans FSX. Vous pouvez suivre nos aventures en francais ici:
http://www.pilote-virtuel.com/viewto...p?id=17915&p=1

[Brian_Gladden]

From looking at pics on Airliners.net, it looks like the AP control head is in the center console, aft of the throttles.

Here's the link showing the AP. It's at the very bottom of the photo in the console

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Dassa...-50/0979291/L/

[vonstroheim]

the AP control head is in the center console, aft of the throttles

Yes I see it, thanks! Nice picture!

Also, you can clearly see the two ashtrays... can you believe that.... that's the 70's, the disco era!

[sicard]

Thank you so much again

Vous êtes tous des supers mecs qui savent nous faire rêver et vivre notre passion ,que demander de plus ..si ce n'est que la santé,

A tous All the best

Write you soon

Patrick







Merci beaucoup monsieur Sicard pour votre soutient ! C'est un vrai honneur... Mais c'est grace à André que le Falcon 50 revole dans FSX. Vous pouvez suivre nos aventures en francais ici:
http://www.pilote-virtuel.com/viewto...p?id=17915&p=1[/QUOTE]

[sicard]

Pouvez-vous me dire comment se procurer ce panel et ou je pourrai le télécharger .

Acceptez mes amitiés

Patrick





Merci beaucoup monsieur Sicard pour votre soutient ! C'est un vrai honneur... Mais c'est grace à André que le Falcon 50 revole dans FSX. Vous pouvez suivre nos aventures en francais ici:
http://www.pilote-virtuel.com/viewto...p?id=17915&p=1[/QUOTE]