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I reposted these at Simhq
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.ph...ml#Post2613462
I reposted these at Simhq
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.ph...ml#Post2613462
first time I've gone to the SINM HQ
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British_eh
Here are a few screens that demonstrate what OVS and I were describing about the new AI in Phase 3.
I have padlocked this Camel which is being dogged by one of my squadron mates. I stay close but hang back watching both of them. The camel makes a maneuver that causes the DVII to pull up and away. I see my squad mate flash up out of sight to my right and I move into position and deliver some concentrated fire into the engine and the Camel starts trailing smoke and cuts sharply up and to the right and I flash by him. As I look over my right shoulder I see the my squadron mate drop in on him again and finish him off.
If there is one EA left and 2 or 3 of your squadron mates are after him don't try to drop in and join the fray, nearly everytime I have risked this I have ended up as raining debris from a mid air collision. Circle around and watch your squad mates tear into the EA like sharks.
The AI will work in concert against you like this as well. I have had a few occasions now where I got the distinctive impression that they were working me over good as a team. As soon as I would shake one the other was on me.
I apologize for the overuse of the Jasta 6 Fok DVII. I really am testing a wide range of different aircraft on both sides of the line but it seems I keep getting some good opportunities to demonstrate what Phase 3 is like when flying with Jasta 6.
Cheers
Makai
Keep them coming Makai! Great reports !
GB
I decided to start a new run as a pilot with the RFC. I needed a change of pace. I assigned myself to RFC 56 in late May 1917. Knowing I was in MvR's territory, I was hoping to come across him sooner or later.
First mission, protect a balloon. The Jerries must have known we were planning a defensive patrol as we never made it to the target. Jasta 30 showed up with a surprise attack short after take-off, about 5 miles from the drome. They gave us a run for the money, and I wound up with quite a few bullet holes in my wings.. so I had to ditch. I did manage to down one of the SOB's in a field short of a river.
Here's two shots during the mele. It was fast, so I didn't take many. Look closely at the first shot, that's me waving off of the wing of the Albatros.
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OvS
So on to our next mission. Another bright and sunny day in Flanders. We were assigned to partol the front, east of Arras.
While on the way to the target, we came across a group of DFW's from Flieger-Abteilung 13 (FA 13). I quikly noticed one was already smoking!! I was LIKING my chops at this one!!! I line her up, and get under her belly. The gunner opens up but he can't hit me. I lay into the belly and straff the underside, killing the gunner, and knocking out the tail. The pilot panics, and starts the decent.
I follow, keeping tabs like a starving vulcher. I pop some lead into her here and there, to keep the pilot honest, and bring her in. She goes down in a field, east of Arras. I not the location for the report.
We regroup and continue on... I take a quick count of ammo... 94!!! Goodness... I only have 94 rounds left! Man, I wasted too much on that DFW!!! I sure hope.... uh-oh... this can't be.
Sure enough. As my luck would have it. Jasta 11. Not just Allmenroder, Schafer, and Wolff, but none other than the Brothers Richthofen as well... and some extra Jasta 11 slob thet probably tossed in there for fun.
Great... 94 rounds, and I'm up against the best!! Well... I am Otto... so here goes nothing.
The mele starts with a break in all directions. The go everywhere, we break into pieces. 5 of us, verses 6 of them. I try to pick one out, but it's just too fast, and with my limited ammo, I have to make sure I am accurate.
Somehow, I break off from the crowd, and find myself alone. But I get the funny feeling I'm being stalked. Sure enough... here come Manfred, diving down on me... why me? This guy really wants a piece of me!!! For the first time in any WWI sim, I've ever flown, I actually felt like I was being hunted!
Now it really goes bananas! Manfred and I, twisting, turning, one-on-one. A fight to the death. I could not believe my eyes. I was in a dogfight with the best. This sim is truly unbelievable. I felt like Manfred was making fun of me. At one point, he passed me flying upsidedown, as if taunting me!! The combat ensues for a good 10 min. I must be making him really mad because he can't get a shot it. Same for me though. He's REALLY good... best I've ever seen. I can't stay on his tail long enough for a clean shot.. remember.... 94... that's it... well... now 71... ooops.... 65....
Well... it gets worse... Lothar decided it was time to help out his older brother and jump in. Not one, but two aces now. This is just getting ugly. Lothar gets a shot it and peppers my left wing. Damn... now I can't turn too well. The SE5a is still doing well though, and holding her ground. I'm down to 45 rounds now... and Kurt shows up. Nice.. now I am doomed.
I finally made that mistake books are written about, and Manfred lays the lead into me. It's over... I'm going down. I ditch on a hill behind enemy lines. Yes... I also broke all of Boelcke's rules, can you blame me?
Aside from the results, this was by far the best mission I have flown yet. The dogfight between me and MvR lasted for 15 minuets before anyone else jumped in, and truth is, I really felt like he was making fun of me. At one point he dropped in front of my nose, I lost him under me, and next thing I knew, he was behind me.... how... I don't know. I could swear the speed that he passed in front of me he'd loose it for sure. Nope....
Anyhow... I was captured, and thus ended my 2 mission career with RFC56. Another victum to the guns of Manfred. I have to admit, it was an honor to be shot down by the best. But I know he'll be talking about me for a long time....
OvS
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Vell, its goot to have you back on zis zide of zee lines anyvay. Keep 'em comin'! I love reading these reports.
-Rooster
Mission with SE5a's from 60 RFC. Lousy weather for flying, but my little squad of 3 goes up anyway to patrol along the line near the coast.
Who would be up in this weather? As we get near the coast I spot a couple of specs high above us on our side of the line going West that look like a couple of DFW's. I start to climb up towards them. As I get close to the first one I notice I have lost the rest of my troop somewhere in the clouds. The DFW's are from Ss-29 and they have made the fatal mistake of not staying close together, still one can be deadly if not approached with caution. I swing back and forth under his tail as the gunner swings left and right to get a shot at me. I hear hits go through my wings but nothing vital has been hit yet. I get some concentrated hits to his engine and the DFW flames and he goes down. I climb up after the other one and tracers from the gunner are coming at me but no hits yet. The gunner is firing from a long distance. I come up under the tail and pop up behind him, Lewis gun blazing away and pieces coming off the DFW. My shots must have finished off the gunner because there is no more fire coming from the back seat. More fire produces a trail of smoke then I run out of ammo. The DFW is still flying towards his target whatever that was but he is losing altitude. I fly along watching to see if he goes down. My squad mates have finally caught up with me and circle around the DFW but do not attack. usually they are merciless. They must know he is done for. I watch to see if he will land but he runs out of air over the forest and I just see a flash then a plume of smoke coming up out of the trees. The squad forms up and we head back to the airfield. We have saved our side from a potential attack, I guess the rainy day flight was worth it.
The weather is one of the major immersive elements in Phase 3. Historical weather has been programmed in the game. There will be days you go to the mission briefing then find that the flight has been cancelled. If you get consecutive flight cancellations don't think there is something wrong with the program. I have had missions cancelled 4 days in a row to bad weather before.
Great reports, OvS and Makai, keep them coming!
Good to hear about flight cancellations, Makai. I was beginning to think that the program was having you fly in all kinds of weather, owing to the screenshots. There should be cancellations owing to weather, as well as the off chance, like you had in your mission, that one would be required to fly.
Great job on these reports!
Excellent appetite whetters, Guys.
Keep them coming please.
best
nio
ok i'm a newbi from germany . today i 've search on google for a ww1 fly-simulation an i found a link to a forum where one guy speak about OFF. i found the official site and this forum. my questions are:
- what iss Phase 1, Phase 2 and Phase 3? the versions of the mod?
- i found out that phase 1 and 2 downloads are not available. phase 3 will coming soon and then i can download OFF??when it will be released?
i would be very happy, if i can get some answers :P
greetz from germany
doc
Hallo Doc,
Phase I was so long ago I don't even remember it. Phase II is still available on disc, by request, here:
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforum...read.php?t=200
P3 - Between Heaven and Hell, will be available, on disc, soon.
Details to be announced.
Tschüss,
shredward
Thanks for your answers
then i will wait for P3.
Sehr geehrter Herr Baron
How could you ? Enlist in an enemy Squad. just for a change ? You might have been dead ! I well understand zat it may be boring sometimes to be as superior as we are, but pleaze, don't do that again. And, by ze way: Manfred didn't fool 'round with you - just a minute ago, he told me, he had well recognized you (from your "exhaust(ed) tan"), and let you live. But he might not next time... So, if you need some change, try a PFALZ or something, but don't do zzat again - pleaze ! The fazzerland needs you!
Hochachtungsvoll
Baron von Mahlo (Der Weinrote Baron)
PS: great, thrilling report. It twisted my "waiting-for-P3-strained" nerves up like a rubber band in these little toy planes. God, we will all have to learn...
Not to worry... I'm back in the 'right seat'
This was a cut and dry mission with FA 3Lb. We were sent to bomb a Krumpet drome, with NO opposition, and Jasta 2 in escort. Not, much to write about, it was a smooth flight, no rain, but it looked like it would. It started off sunny, but by the time I reached the target, it was cloudy.
I dropped my load, and watched my wingies follow through as well. It must have been a popular target as more DFW's from Schusta 27b came in and dropped some bombs as well. I hit my mark and blew up a truck and damaged a hangar.
No combat, very little Ack-ack, so we went home without a scratch. It was a good mission to just enjoy, and practice my bombing skills.
There's always something fun to do in this game. The RE8's you see were passing within 2 miles of our 'convoy'. What was nice is that my 3 Jasta 2 escorts broke formation, did a recon of the EA and came back. I guess once they realized the EA was non-threatening, they turned away from them and let them go. Good call.
OvS
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A "real feel" thing
Hi, OvS; reads like a realistic feeling, when weather changes during flight; and you see other flights underway nearby. I like that bit, where your escort checked, but didn't attack by all means. Sounds like a lot of variety ingame - not these typical repeating patterns of most old games. When you say: "We were sent to bomb a Krumpet drome, with NO opposition" - did you know at start, there was no opposition to expect ? Or does P3 keep that a secret (as I hope it would)." Thanks again for your good insight reports, and keep them coming. Olham
Great report, OvS!
You mentioned in one of your earlier reports about noting the location of a kill for your subsequent report. I am interested in how that all works. How detailed do you need to be in such reports? Is there a standard vocabulary that you need to use? What kinds of information are they looking for?
This brings me to another question. Will there be a digital manual with the game that explains these kinds of mechanics?
Thanks in advance for addressing these questions.
You never know what is going to happen. P3 is totally unpredictable. I think the flights where nothing happens are just as immersive as those full of action. The dynamic weather really adds to the realism. I had a flight with a small group of DVII's to patrol the front and we were warned by the met officer of impending rain. It was a dark and gloomy day with heavy clouds. We finished the patrol not seeing another plane and just as I was approaching the airfield to land it started pouring rain.
The mission I am going to share however was not one of those quiet missions, and I was going to do another squadron or Jasta since I have shared missions from Jasta 2 but I can't pass this one up.
As I cycle through the planes I am testing I have noticed that my Jasta 2 Fok DR1 pilot is having a particularly long life compared to the rest. 11 confirmed kills out of 16 claims. Most don't last for more than 2 or 3 missions.
There are some cancelled flights due to weather, then it is snowing. I take off and land. No weather to be flying in. The next day the storm has moved on, it is grey and there are patches of snow from the storm. (very cool) The mission is to attack troops that are building at the front for an assault. They send 4 of us off for the task. Things must be getting tough. The countryside with the patches of snow is very real looking and I am enjoying just sight seeing over the wintry landscape. We near the front and there is a brutal barrage going on on our side. The Tommy's must be getting ready to go over the top and we swing wide around the bombardment to get at the infantry positions and the next thing we know we are in a storm of Camels. 10 Camels have dropped down on us and we are in a fight for our lives. I am all over the place I get on one and land some hits and when he darts away I immediately pull up and go for the one that was one my tail not waiting to see if I sent the last one into the mud. I am holding my own and causing some damage. There are plenty of targets around. I get a glimpse of the mele going on over the barrage and I see 2 aircraft trailing smoke. I have a bad feeling they are most likely my squadron mates and I will soon be the only target around for everyones entertainment. I try a running fight for our lines and damage several more camels with bits flying off and trails of smoke. As long as I don't stay on one for too long I have a chance but my plane is starting to take some punishing hits. I feel they have all joined the chase now. I finally go into the ground and my pilot is captured. I start over with a new Jasta 2 pilot. What a way to go. The greatest significance of this fight was that I survived as long as I did and did some damage while I was at it. When I started testing I would not have lasted 20 seconds in this fight. It made me realize that you actually have a chance to survive in this game with a little bit of experience, getting familiar with how the different planes handle, and developing your marksmanship. That was a great action packed mission.
The key to the claims report is remembering your wingmans or one of your other squad mates names to have a chance of getting a confirmed kill. You maust have a witness. It also helps to know what kind of plane you shot down. You can say, "shot down plane" in the report or you can get elaborate and write about the mission in more detail. Once you find yourself starting to get immersed in the experience you will find it is interesting to read back over your reports from some of the missions.
Another game pointer for trying preserve a pilot. If you are in the middle of a mission and totally engrossed in experiencing air combat in the Great War and some urgent call brings you back to present day and you stop your mission to deal with the interruption, if your pilot was flying over the wrong side of the line you will discover that he has been captured and his career is over.
No, there is no format specific verbiage. You can be as detailed or as bland as you want. What you need to know, as Makai pointed out, is at least 1 flight members name that was with you. With that info, you have a better chance at getting a confirmed kill. Again, a chance. No kill is definite until you get the response that it's confirmed. When you fill out the claim form, it's easy. Select the craft you shot down, if you're not sure, just leave it as enemy plane, then fill out the witness name, and add your own deatils of the kill.Originally Posted by CaptainScott
I like to add the type, any color markings, the place it went down, if indeed it crashed, or landed. And what the closest marker was, whether it's a city, or a farm, or whatever. When I go back over my logs, it's more fun to read. Plus with our close attention to deatil when we made our skins, you can research who you may have been fighting aginst. It simply adds to the realism... as if there isn't enough already.
OvS
PS... yes, I think we are working on a digital manual.
Ah, yes, Stachel. You above all should know that unconfirmed by Army means unconfirmed!
Thanks to both Makai and OvS for responding to my questions. I am drooling over getting my hands on P3!
Funny I had this exact feeling in a campaign mission yesterday whilst testing the Se5a Viper. 5 in my flight met head on with 7 DVII's from J18 over enemy lines.
Red and white merged with the dark Vipers. 17 seconds later I see one Se5 pumping out smoke with a DVII on his tail. I look behind and see 3 DVII's turning in to me coming around. I evade and manage to get a few wild shots at a passing DVII.
A few more seconds pass I see another wingman taking damage and he's already low, so my first bad move is I dive to help him. I get down there and fire at a few 100 yards to try to distract the German, too late. The Se5 is already going down and I fly through the crash smoke.
Twisting my neck to check my tail I see two trails of white and black smoke one an Se5 and one a DVII (thank goodness). Another DVII flashes past, but the Viper is already heading for the middle of an airfield nose down in an arc of smoke.
I turn again and see more smoke - yes another Se5a Viper being hit, then looking to the front again I see what seems to be a dust cloud very close- is it flak? No it's another Se5 heading directly for me taking hits and spewing smoke as he flashes over my right shoulder smoking, the DVII flashes by too, following very close behind him firing. As I look over my shoulder to see my fellow squad member's fate again I see the Se5 suddenly sharp spin and spiral in and crash, as I look up to the front another DVII flashes close over head.
Turning my craft around to avoid being a target I see black smoke and fire directed down to the ground - an Se5 flames licking around the cowl hits the ground and his killer flashes close by me.
Here I am 1 minute 44 seconds since the merge, and already I am alone.
That feeling James had, I have right then. If they took out four so quickly what's stopping me being next, it is inevitable and they are hunting me.
Just for a moment I have taste, a small taste of how most pilots back then must have felt at one time or other. I am not invincible, or untouchable, I am part of the war statistics right here and now and nothing I can do will stop it.
The only saving grace is my Viper is fast, so thinking fast I remember to play to my craft's strengths. Sure enough mistake number two. At this the moment I break for home heading towards a distant DVII thinking I can fire as I pass him then go straight on for home. I should have played for one more turn to catch my break rather than just heading out immediately.
Before I close on him tracers flash past my head, then the engine is hit and I see the DVII on my tail. Nevertheless I look forward and fire as the previously distant DVII becomes very very close. Looking back now I see my Se5 is pouring white smoke and leaving a nice marker for all the Germans behind me and the once easy controls are poor and sluggish.
I have no option but to land; a crash landing, and I am captured. And I am in a way lucky, to escape what seemed certain death.
You are no longer in control...
That was a fantastic report Pol. Wow. I don't have words...
Looks and sounds amazing, and frightening all at the same time. I cannot wait to fly P3 for myself! Cheers fellas. Keep the reports coming! I'm itching to get to the front! :d
Wow Pol, that one shot of you and the D.VII going at eachother looks like iminent death right then and there. Amazing
-Rooster
17 hours seems a LOT longer to reach in Phase 3, especially if you like 2-seaters.
On this mission with FA 3 Lb, we were assigned to recce some enemy troops positions over the front. I had a choice of 3 different missions, and the first seemed too long for me, but 2 had escorts, 1 did not... the shorter one, which I chose. Big mistake!
Everything is good, we get off, form up and a quick hop to the front. I see the target coming up and hop into the back seat to observe. All is quiet. Down over to the left, I see a scrap going on. Some Jasta 4 Pfalz's are having a go at a squadron of RNAS-10 Camels. No biggie, they're too low for me.
Well, they brought some friends, up high.... higher than me. I watch them for a little while, trying to get in position to defend, I'm close enough to run back to the lines. But it's too late. They charge at us really hard from above.
They came at us from the front and whipped by the left side as I got some wasteful snaps off from the Parabellum. Useless... a waste of ammo.
Four of them turned towards us while the other 3 headed low for the Pfalz melee.
Not long now... I try and defend, but there are bullets all around me. They're pouring lead at me like a free-flowing river!! I watch in horror as one of my wingies burst into flames and heads for the ground... will that be me? Hell no!!!
I take control of the plane and nose dive for the ground just trying to build-up speed. I can't get away. I'm crippled, and going in.
I find a spot to land, but this SOB is relentless. My observer is dead... now it's me. I try to land, but she flips and I crash. Dead.
Lesson learned... NEVER FLY A RECCE MISSION IN PHASE 3 WITHOUT AN ESCORT!!!
OvS
PS... that extra DFW is another squadron, I just thought you'd like to see Makai's awesome lozenge job!!
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