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  1. #51

    Great

    It just keeps getting better and better, Klaus.

  2. #52
    Klaus:

    Great work! You've produced a very impressive Korean-era carrier. Nice AF-2W Guardian, and the proper ASW aircraft for the time. You are aware that these AF-2 flew as hunter-killer teams? Both the AF-2W and AF-2S are in the same download from the FlightSim Library. Although from CFS2, they have been updated to fly in FSX. Hopefully you will also model the AF-2S as a static plane. As far as I can determine, a 1950s Essex carrier would deploy with two teams: two AF-2W and two AF-2S. As they were quite large for carrier aircraft, I'd bet that they spent a lot of time up on the deck with wings folded, and not so welcome on the hanger deck! They were not much smaller than the S2F Trackers which quickly replaced them beginning in 1955.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails AF-2W and AF-2S Guardian Hunter-Killer Team of VS-25.jpg  
    Last edited by llanning08; August 4th, 2019 at 11:46.

  3. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by llanning08 View Post
    Klaus:

    Great work! You've produced a very impressive Korean-era carrier. Nice AF-2W Guardian, and the proper ASW aircraft for the time. You are aware that these AF-2 flew as hunter-killer teams? Both the AF-2W and AF-2S are in the same download from the FlightSim Library.
    Nice Foto of that team... and as you orderd it... here second one is ready



    Now they can operate as sub hunting team.

    and do not forget these two .... TBM-3W Avenger



    greetings
    Klaus

  4. #54
    This is such a great project. I haven't been looking forward to new carriers as much as these since SimWorks Studios' USS Coral Sea, and that was payware.

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    I promised

    I promised not to "hijack" this thread and I'm not going to break that promise. Just wanted to post this repaint that I just finished just for this project. It is A.F. Scrub's FJ-3 which I repainted. This is VF-24 aboard USS Shangri-La in 1956 (actually posed on USS Lexington CV-16 since Shangri-La is not available yet).

    The FJ-3 is available online if not here in the Warbirds Library and my VF-24 repaint and two others TBA will be shared here.

    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails VF-24 FJ-3 1956.jpg  

  6. #56
    Joe (Butcherbird17) did a new texture set for the Panthers (and for the helicopter in use) and send this very nice ones to me. Thanks Joe for that very nice work.

    On this base i decide to do different textures (numbering) for every Panther of every squadron in use for the carriers. Will paint 20 Panthers (that means that i have to do 20 different models) for each squadron.10 will be with wings down and 10 will be with wings folded. Start with squadron VF-51... then VF-52.... VF-53 and so on. Every aircraft has got 14 textures (ok... not every texture must be paint different.... but it could). So you can do your own set of textures too. Perhaps you would like to paint the helmet for the pilot of aircraft 102 in yellow and helmet for the pilot in aircraft 116 in green.... you can do that now, if you want.

    The plane and texture set you will get with the carriers will have hundrets of different paints... and you can change this paints at your own will.

    Same to do for the all other aicraft models in use. So you can uncounted numbers of different layouts of planes on deck, if you would like to do.
    From my side the complet package of carriers will have different layout of plane groups on deck. You can do your own layouts and fill the empty carrier model as you want.

    There also will be a set without numbers to save working space in FSX if you are low on that ....

    Hope on this way every one will get his own possibility of wishes to get the carriers as he will have them.

    Just a little sample, Panther 101, 103 and 105 of VF-51



    greetings
    Klaus

  7. #57

    I went nuts too

    I too did that for VF1 for the USS Saratoga 1932 for all 18 aircraft and its fun to say that you did something and others haven't. Only Mick is as nuts as we are. LOL!

    I am starting a new thread for the FJ-3 which by the way IS here in the Warbirds Library. I will anxiously watch this one and go find my F9F I got a couple years ago so that I can do different squadron textures than you are doing. Great work!!!!!

  8. #58
    Painting steps forword whilei`m waiting for an answer for a permission to use the barrier on deck from another designer.

    But for now the CV-15 USS Randolph (SCB-27A) with Panthers from VF-103 on her deck in 1953. (just a configuration for example)







    greetings
    Klaus

  9. #59

    Really Nice

    I am anxiously waiting for these to add to my fleet. In the meantime I am totally enjoying your USS Valley Forge CV-45. Thank you for all your efforts for us.


  10. #60
    Good news....

    yesterday Bing Chandler of http://www.flyingstations.com/ gave his very kind permission to use the functional barrier he made. Did an extract from his model and started to rework the first model yesterday. All works fine till now. This barrier works with a gauge you have to write to your panel.cfg. If you lower your arrestor hook this barrier comes up.After Landing you rise your arrestor hook and barrier wents down so you can go forword. Very nice animation and a nice part of realistic show on this carrier class. As in real.... every plane that lands the barrier rises up in the 1950th.

    Some shots from the work till now. The CV-15 USS Randolph (SCB-27A) with that new barrier and with Panthers from VF-103 on her deck in 1953



    In the background the BB-61 USS Iowa (...created by Shatter in 2010... did this one too in her outfit from the 1950th in Korea War. Also many changes on this model and a crew also on decks. But till now there is no permission to give this model to the comunity )



    Barrier from cocpit view...



    And the last one.... barrier is down after rising the hook from the Panther.....



    Thats for now.... next days when i will get time, i will convert the next models and get some new liverys for the squadrons and new deck layouts for the different ships.


    By the way... after ending this project next one will be the Independence class ... got the permission from Alberto (jagl04) to use his model as base to build up all the ships of the class in their different outfits. One of those ship has seen the Korean War too.


    greetings
    Klaus

  11. #61

    Really great work

    Keep up the good work, can't wait.

    Richard

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    Hi Klaus!

    These look amazing. So looking forward to them.

    When you mentioned USS Independence - did you mean from the Forrestal class? That would be superb! Have you given any thought to an early SCB-125 angled deck version of time of your Essex boats? That might be a great future idea. Just a thought.

    Anyway, looking forward to the Korean War period you’ve created here. Thanks for all your hard work.

    Daniel

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    No ...not the Forrestal Class ship.I will do the Independence-Class aircraft carriers. Little carriers from WWII. The CVL-29 USS Bataan (one of the ships of this class) was in duty in Korean War. Other ship was used as traing ship for young pilots during this time.

    USS Bataan in Korean War time



    But first i will end the Essex-Class. There is enough work to do

    greetings
    Klaus

  14. #64

    Light Carriers

    I would consider these medium class carriers, CVLs. The CVE's were in my opinion the "little" carriers. My uncle served in WWII on the USS Breton, a Bogue class "Jeep" carrier. An interesting project in the quality you have demonstrated though all served in the USN ONLY in WWII and 10 were then transferred to the Royal Navy. I believe that FS Shipyard has a simple version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tgycgijoes View Post
    I would consider these medium class carriers, CVLs. The CVE's were in my opinion the "little" carriers. My uncle served in WWII on the USS Breton, a Bogue class "Jeep" carrier. An interesting project in the quality you have demonstrated though all served in the USN ONLY in WWII and 10 were then transferred to the Royal Navy. I believe that FS Shipyard has a simple version.
    That doesn't sound right, my understanding is that the RN had 32 Bogue class* CVE on lend-lease terms which were all returned after the war. Breton was actually transferred to the RN, renamed Chaser and then served on Arctic convoys and with the British Pacific Fleet helping resupply the Fleet Carriers with aircraft as part of the 30th Aircraft Carrier Squadron.
    Worryingly I only have a month to finish my dissertation on Escort Carriers in RN service...

    Edited to add, there seem to have been two USS Breton, the first was transferred to the RN and the second served with the USN in the Pacific theatre.

    *The RN had two sub-classes the Attacker and Ruler all of which would have been Bogue class in the USN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkippyBing View Post
    That doesn't sound right, my understanding is that the RN had 32 Bogue class* CVE on lend-lease terms which were all returned after the war. Breton was actually transferred to the RN, renamed Chaser and then served on Arctic convoys and with the British Pacific Fleet helping resupply the Fleet Carriers with aircraft as part of the 30th Aircraft Carrier Squadron.
    Worryingly I only have a month to finish my dissertation on Escort Carriers in RN service...

    Edited to add, there seem to have been two USS Breton, the first was transferred to the RN and the second served with the USN in the Pacific theatre.

    *The RN had two sub-classes the Attacker and Ruler all of which would have been Bogue class in the USN.
    INDEPENDENCE Class CVLs were based on a cruiser hull design, pretty survivable from underwater attack, internal fires, had significant systems redundancy.

    CVE classes were based on commercial hulls - smaller, poor survivability, very few backup systems, mass produced.

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    All of you fellows participating in this endeavor are to be congratulated for your efforts. It's going to be a very interesting and most worthy addon(s) to the FSX scene when completed. Thank you again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike71 View Post
    INDEPENDENCE Class CVLs were based on a cruiser hull design, pretty survivable from underwater attack, internal fires, had significant systems redundancy.

    CVE classes were based on commercial hulls - smaller, poor survivability, very few backup systems, mass produced.
    Without going on too much of a thread drift, the CVE's poor survivability caused a bit of a clash between the RN and USN. The former spent 6-8 weeks modifying their CVE on delivery including protection to the AVGAS stowage and changes to the magazines to reduce the likelihood of the ships being destroyed. As happened to Dasher with a fuel explosionand Avenger after a single torpedo hit.

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    Breton No. 2

    Quote Originally Posted by SkippyBing View Post
    That doesn't sound right, my understanding is that the RN had 32 Bogue class* CVE on lend-lease terms which were all returned after the war. Breton was actually transferred to the RN, renamed Chaser and then served on Arctic convoys and with the British Pacific Fleet helping resupply the Fleet Carriers with aircraft as part of the 30th Aircraft Carrier Squadron.
    Worryingly I only have a month to finish my dissertation on Escort Carriers in RN service...

    Edited to add, there seem to have been two USS Breton, the first was transferred to the RN and the second served with the USN in the Pacific theatre.

    *The RN had two sub-classes the Attacker and Ruler all of which would have been Bogue class in the USN.
    Thank you for that info. Obviously my uncle was on the second Breton that served in the Pacific then because I have a memorabilia from him like a Christmas card from the ship and his 8x10 picture of her. And he talked about the occupation of Japan years ago. I thought that I read that correctly from Wikipedia or else they made a mistake about 10 carriers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by klnowak View Post
    No ...not the Forrestal Class ship.I will do the Independence-Class aircraft carriers. Little carriers from WWII. The CVL-29 USS Bataan (one of the ships of this class) was in duty in Korean War. Other ship was used as traing ship for young pilots during this time.

    USS Bataan in Korean War time



    But first i will end the Essex-Class. There is enough work to do

    greetings
    Klaus
    Sorry - been tied up for time with my wife's recovery from surgery.

    The USS Bataan would make a lovely Korean War period, hosting VMF-212 for critical ground support missions in the dire days of late 1950 and early 1951.

    Looking forward to this and the original Korean War Essex ships.

    Take care, Klaus!

    Daniel

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    Just a little step forword.... different models Furys VF-154 for the mid 50th essex models



    greetings
    Klaus

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    CV-11 USS Intreprid SCB-27C in 1956 with Fury from VF-173 on her deck. Base texture of the fury with kind permission from Richard (tgycgijoes). I just changed the plane numbers)






    greetings
    Klaus

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    Quote Originally Posted by klnowak View Post
    CV-11 USS Intreprid SCB-27C in 1956 with Fury from VF-173 on her deck. Base texture of the fury with kind permission from Richard (tgycgijoes). I just changed the plane numbers)






    greetings
    Klaus


    Stunning. I never thought I'd see the day when we'd have USN carriers in mid-50s fit in the FSX/P3D sim world.

    Time to dust off the Milviz Sabre - Gradyhappy (and I think Duckie too) did some great "faux" Fury repaints, the VMR-451 one being my favourite.

    What I'd give for a Rob Richardson Fury FJ-3 or -4 project to fly off these - but I'll say this, his Cougar is getting lots more air time these days ...

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    Thank you too

    I like to be able to give back to the fs and soh community for all I have gotten here and online too. The Fury for an example. Just my paintjob the aircraft was already done. Gonna try and put some Stoofs and HSS's onto the Princeton over the weekend wish me luck.

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    Hi Klaus (et al) - hope you're ok.

    I bumped into this interesting footage that is precisely in the timeframe of this delightful project:


    https://archive.org/details/NPC-2184

    EDIT - sorry, didn't embed properly - have to click through.


    Enjoy!

    dl

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